Star Trek (XI): This universe should be left unvisited

"You will always be a child of two worlds, and fully capable of deciding your own destiny. The question you face is: which path will you choose?"


Those words were spoken by Sarek in the new Star Trek movie released on 8 May 2009, simply titled Star Trek. For sake of clarity, I will mostly use Star Trek XI.

The words that he said are true, not only for the alternate Spock but for Star Trek itself, and its fans. For the record, I will state two things:

1. I have not seen the movie. This is not a real film review. Rather, it is my impression of it to date made public on this blog.
2. I am a Trekkie/Trekker (Roddenberry prefers Trekkie), so I have a different point of view than a person coming in with no knowledge of the franchise, or someone that has no regard for logic or canon.

Firstly, I must say that the Star Trek action movies, including Wrath of Khan, First Contact, and now Star Trek XI, don't feel... for lack of a better term, Trekky. Action and battle is not what Star Trek is about. Star Trek is about exploring new worlds, new civilizations, exploring the edges of physics, and exploring the human condition. It is also, first and foremost, optimistic about the future, future technology, and future achievement. This movie is for the most part devoid of this, or at the very least, it did not matter to the creators of it. Its body may be Star Trek, but its spirit is alien to the body. That spirit is JJ Abrams and his writers, Orci and Kurtzman.

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beebs's Gravatar Well, Vulcans are pretty racist sounding in the original series'/films too. More than a few times Spock responds to comparisons between himself and humans as "insulting".

I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't comment on much else yet.. hope to soon!
» Posted By beebs | 5/9/09 3:05 PM
Patricius Maximus's Gravatar Well, from the times I can remember, he said it was insulting when Kirk said "everybody's human", which I believe is understandable.

Imagine if Sarek had said to Kirk or Picard that "everybody's Vulcan", I believe that they would have found that insulting, even though they're not racist.
» Posted By Patricius Maximus | 5/9/09 7:45 PM
mightygoose's Gravatar having just watched the film, it is a great film, a really really great film, but its not a credible star trek film, this is like west side story to romeo and juliet. It al seems familiar but is fundamentally different, any science geekery in the script is virtually meaningless and is obviously a token for the en masse, what we have here is simcity societies all over again..... forget the die hard lifetime fans at the expense of three teenagers who buy the tishirts and bin them a fortnight later.....
» Posted By mightygoose | 5/9/09 9:11 PM
mrtnrln's Gravatar I think this movie is good enough for the masses, but the hardcore Trekkies are not satified about the film. I've seen the movie and I find it pretty good, but not perfect. There are a few other things that I noticed:

- In most Star Trek movies/episodes, the scenes in space are pretty noisy (which is unrealistic, because there is noting that can transfer the sound). In this Star Trek movie, the space scenes are almost dead silent. Almost, because obviously J.J. Abrams wanted some sound in the movie. Pitty.
- They could not beam people up while they are moving. As long as I know, this was never been a problem.
- Mind melts go very quick in this movie. Remember what Tuvok says every time he mind-melts? Spock doesn't say a word when he mind-melts.
- The old Spock tells Kirk (well, he actually mind-melts) that there's a supernova occurring near Romulus, 129 years in the future. I've been calculating if this is should be noticed in any other Star Trek movie or series. 2254 + 129 = 2383, so that's about five years after the arrival of the USS Voyager, so it should happen just after Star Trek: Nemesis. And there, they don't know a thing about a possible supernova, while the old Spock says that they know it would happen! How can you explain that?
- The supernova itself is also unrealistic. It's just a small yellow star, just like ours, and that kind of star will NEVER explode in a supernova. The star must be a lot bigger to get a supernova explosion. a star like ours should first grow until it is a red giant, and then it would loose it's outer layers. This would happen in millions of years, and that doesn't look like an explosion.
- Using a black hole to save a solar system from an explosion? What a silly idea. I think the whole solar system would dissappear into the black hole. Not a good rescue mission.

And I do not agree that action doesn't fit in Star Trek. There are always people that are abusing their power and use it for evil, non-pleasant purposes. How else could you explain the Borg and other violent species? But when I read this blog, I agree that there are some errors in the storyline.
» Posted By mrtnrln | 5/10/09 9:21 AM
mrtnrln's Gravatar (Oh, dang! Why are there no edit buttons here?)

By the way, I did spot another error in the movie. As far as I know, all Star Trek ships are build in a spacedock, even the Enterprise NX-01. In this movie, the Enterprise is build ON THE EARTH'S SURFACE! Why would you do that? The ship looks to heavy for me to lift itself from the ground and send itself out of orbit.
» Posted By mrtnrln | 5/10/09 9:33 AM
beebs's Gravatar Ah finally seen the movie.. figured I'd add a few more comments in regards to this..

- Ones personality is heavily influenced by their environment and experiences. I don't think it's a huge leap to think that Kirk could become a distressed young man without a strong father figure to idolize and learn from.

- Personally, I would have been more annoyed if they kept the same look to the bridge. If they're doing an obvious reboot of a series, they should update the look. Why would the ships interior look like something from 1960 with all manual switches and buttons if it's set in the 2200's?

- I'm also sorta ok with the "delay" in the Enterprise construction and Chekov's birth. Pollution of the timeline and all that. No explanation of the delay in the ships construction if it's not relevant to the story.

- I thought Uhura was still a cadet, but like all the others were advanced into positions aboard starships...? I had no issues with her eventually serving on the bridge. And Kirk did have an obvious interest in her. Uhura just wasn't interested.

- I've got nothing for Delta Vega. :P

- Trans means "Across" or "Through".. so Through-Warp beaming. Makes sense to me as that is basically what they were doing.

Overall I didn't have many glaring issues with the movie.. but to each his own I suppose. ;)
» Posted By beebs | 5/18/09 9:56 PM
Simon Maxwell's Gravatar I've been a Star Trek fan for over 30 years, but I have not seen this film, nor do I have any desire to. I've read enough about it on teh interweb however. As the film involves altered timelines and has very little to do with the prime universe Star Trek, I like to think of the film as being apocryphal.

As far as the inconsistencies between the prime universe and the universe Nero arrives in when he travels back through time are concerned, there may be a way to explain them. Perhaps when Nero arrives in the past, he arrives in a parallel dimension (similar to the "Mirror, Mirror" universe) and not in the prime universe at all. That would account for the inconsistencies.
» Posted By Simon Maxwell | 5/23/09 4:35 AM
Meg's Gravatar I have been a Star Trek fan since the original series. I found this movie to be a lot of fun. The movie isn't taking itself as seriously as some people seem to think it should.

It doesn't matter if "the explanation doesn't match with the reality". There is no reality. None of this, in whatever incarnation, ever happened.

So what if Chris Pine's eyes are a different color from William Shatner's? My eyes are a different color from my sister's. The roll of the genetic dice can easily result in a different outcome.

One problem with alternate timelines is that anything can be different, or not. Which is why some people object to them. If you object to time travel and it's alternate timeline results, you will find this movie to be very strange in some places. But you might want to see it first before you decide.

My recommendation: Sit back and enjoy the ride. It's a lot of fun.
» Posted By Meg | 5/23/09 12:36 PM
Patricius Maximus's Gravatar "It doesn't matter if "the explanation doesn't match with the reality". There is no reality. None of this, in whatever incarnation, ever happened."

I was referring to reality in the Star Trek universe, which I thought would be understood, since this is about errors in the movie that an alternate timeline with a point of divergence at that time cannot account for, such as Kirk having blue eyes.
» Posted By Patricius Maximus | 5/23/09 2:49 PM
Meg's Gravatar I guess we just have different ways of looking at it. I enjoy the characters; it was great to see them again. I don't know when they were born and I don't care. Where did those dates come from anyway? They weren't on film anywhere, which is all I count as part of the "reality"

There were many "easter eggs" that made me smile. There were many lines and references that would have gone over the head of someone who was not familiar with the series and movies.

Getting back to your statement "Star Trek is now the child of two timelines, and fans must now choose which path they will follow and consider their prime universe: Roddenberry or Abrams." Why do I have to chose which path to follow? I never chose between Star Trek and Star Wars; I enjoy them both.

But I can understand where you are coming from. When they started ST:TNG, I was wondering what the heck they were doing. but I found it to be much better than the original.

You might enjoy the movie if you watch it.
» Posted By Meg | 5/23/09 7:45 PM
Dan Schwartz's Gravatar My explanation for the newer, built-later Enterprise is that the ship which WOULD have been the Enterprise (and given number NCC-1701) in the unaltered timeline was instead renamed after the destroyed Kelvin, becoming the "Kelvin b" let us say, and the name Enterprise and its associated number were held in reserve for a later generation of starship. Just speculation, but plausible I think.

How Scotty's history, and (the young) Spock's, as shown in the movie, could result from the timeline breach by Nero is more problematic. Just what was Scott doing on that ice planet? Had he ever been a Starfleet cadet? It was a Starfleet base he was in (isn't that what the elder Spock said?), so perhaps Scott did have some connection with Starfleet already, but he certainly didn't seem like an officer. (BTW, is everyone in Starfleet an "officer", no "enlisted personnel"? Has this ever been addressed?)

So Spock spent four years prior to the movie at Starfleet Academy, in a position of responsibility which included running or maintaining the Kobayashi Maru test? I suppose there is some way that this could result from the timeline breach, but it is hard to see how. It makes him notably older than Kirk and the others, but since Vulcans apparently age slower (as evidenced by the original-timeline Spock still being alive 137 years later) that's OK.

Probably the most non-credible aspect of the new film is the way Kirk, not even a cadet in good standing, takes it on himself to sit in the captain's chair when Spock resigns the captaincy, and everyone just accepts him as captain. It makes NO sense at all. OK, the result is what the elder Spock wanted. It was necessary for the plot that Jim become captain, but shouldn't someone in authority have given him the position?
» Posted By Dan Schwartz | 5/27/09 7:21 AM
beebs's Gravatar It was mentioned that Scotty was a Starfleet officer.

Kirk was given the first officer position by Pine. He was the next in line.
» Posted By beebs | 5/27/09 4:42 PM